SickPuppy Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 I created this post so we can continue the discussion on StealthServers attempt to piggyback off of the gameservers.com brand without someone complaining about the forums rules. The core failure in today’s society is Ethics and Honor. If you are unethical in your personal life you will also be unethical in your business life. Copyright law and trademarks would not be necessary If not for a lack of these two key principals. I hope this does not have a negative impact on StealthServers as the American consumer is not stupid and they do not forgive easily. If you don't want to read any additional post in reference to this subject then just let this thread die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitrifrom31 Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 sum1 mentionned gameservers.com did same back in the time so even if I dont like the principle (and if what Ive read is true) I guess its just a little payback since it shouldnt affect their business. "game servers" cant be copyrighted so they took a "risk" taking then ame (not a real risk in fact, just that they cant moan if there are similar domain names). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 sum1 mentionned gameservers.com did same back in the time so even if I dont like the principle (and if what Ive read is true) I guess its just a little payback since it shouldnt affect their business. "game servers" cant be copyrighted so they took a "risk" taking then ame (not a real risk in fact, just that they cant moan if there are similar domain names). Okay but there was no one named gameservers back when they did it. If I were to go out and start a restaurant called MacDonalds (play off McDonalds ) and had a blue and green clown as my mascot I would be ridiculed as well. It's not that its illegal, it's just odd to do something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpgservers Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Do you really offer that if a game can be played online that you rent it? Did you know the name of your GSP is a name of a published book from 2004 and has numerous uses many places long before your implementation? The point here is to not throw rocks when your in a glass house as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 Do you really offer that if a game can be played online that you rent it? Did you know the name of your GSP is a name of a published book from 2004 and has numerous uses many places long before your implementation? The point here is to not throw rocks when your in a glass house as well. I don't understand your analogy and from reading some of your post I don't think you understand it either. Yes it is the name of a book, we know that, but it is not the name of another GSP and if you google Hostile Contact we have a higher SEO ranking than the the book does. You are missing the point, when we selected HostileContact.com, if there had been another GSP already using the name HostileContact we would not have tried to use Hostile-Contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpgservers Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 The part about your "slogan" in your sig. You don't offer to rent every game that can be played online so that is misleading, deceptive, and a lie. Hence your morals/ethics speech is in the trash since you are publically displaying a lie with every post. This isn't meant to detract from the subject at hand but simply explaining to you how my analogy of your morals, ethics, and honor speech about someone doing something comes from someone who is doing something that crosses that line as well. Your comment about the SEO, what does that have to do with you, yourself, using/copying a name of someone else's work to use for yourself? What I'm pointing out is that your willing to point a finger at someone without looking at your own house first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 And the two biggest flamers on the forum go head to head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpgservers Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Jesse, I haven't flamed anyone. I might not be trying to make friends with everyone and have made some off color remarks with some but that isn't flaming them. I've only stated factual details about you so take a hike. If you would like to dispute any ounce of what I posted in regards to you, I'd be more than happy to provide details that would shut you up in a minute. If you don't like my attitude towards you after you wasted hours and hours of my time for nothing, well too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancemode Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I do get what you mean. But even though there isn't any trouble for Stealth to use game-servers since gameservers is already a company, than sure why can't Stealthserver uses it. "gameserver" isn't a copyright term or trademark. But I do get what you mean like how other people or customers will know and MIGHT think its lame how Stealthservers have taken the name of another simliar company and just change it to game-servers.com when gameservers.com already exist. However, since this is Stealthservers decision and plan, I don't think anyone should have to whine, argue, or complain about it or even open a thread about it. If it helps them get more sales, thats great. If it makes them lose customers or not even a big change at all, than that is their problem not ours. Even though if it isn't "originality" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamnp Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 like I said in the other thread -- This is a useless and mute point. Gameservers.com was made and developed after the term "game servers" was already coined anyway, and it appears that they have never had a problem with competition from a "like" name, or trust me, they would have purchased the domains at that point in time. And there have been many who tried similar campaigns and ended up short... Who cares how he brands or distinguishes his company, if you don't like his ethics, then don't like them. I personally don't care for the fact that 90% of the providers over the past 2 years just slashed pricing/profit to absolutely bare minimum...But guess what, thats the flavor of the cake Sometimes its best just to keep your opinions to yourself on certain situations that you cannot alter, change course, or provide reccommendations...It makes you look less "creepy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS-Liam Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 like I said in the other thread -- This is a useless and mute point. Gameservers.com was made and developed after the term "game servers" was already coined anyway, and it appears that they have never had a problem with competition from a "like" name, or trust me, they would have purchased the domains at that point in time. And there have been many who tried similar campaigns and ended up short... Who cares how he brands or distinguishes his company, if you don't like his ethics, then don't like them. I personally don't care for the fact that 90% of the providers over the past 2 years just slashed pricing/profit to absolutely bare minimum...But guess what, thats the flavor of the cake Sometimes its best just to keep your opinions to yourself on certain situations that you cannot alter, change course, or provide reccommendations...It makes you look less "creepy" Agreed, well said, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goran Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 The part about your "slogan" in your sig. You don't offer to rent every game that can be played online so that is misleading, deceptive, and a lie. Hence your morals/ethics speech is in the trash since you are publically displaying a lie with every post. This isn't meant to detract from the subject at hand but simply explaining to you how my analogy of your morals, ethics, and honor speech about someone doing something comes from someone who is doing something that crosses that line as well. Your comment about the SEO, what does that have to do with you, yourself, using/copying a name of someone else's work to use for yourself? What I'm pointing out is that your willing to point a finger at someone without looking at your own house first. Well, maybe he can rent if the users demands it, having every game listed on the site would be insane. On the other hand, how can you know that anyone before you used that name? Is it copyrighted or? So I cannot call my dog Hostile Contact if you wrote book which has the same name?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpgservers Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Well, maybe he can rent if the users demands it, having every game listed on the site would be insane. On the other hand, how can you know that anyone before you used that name? Is it copyrighted or? So I cannot call my dog Hostile Contact if you wrote book which has the same name?... He can't rent them Goran since he's not a ranked provider for many games and his blanket statement encompasses all games that can be played online so places like pogo and yahoo would come to mind which obviously aren't being hosted there. The point is that he simply can't live up to that statement knowingly therefore a morality or ethical lecture from someone blatantly professing something to not be true lacks merit. As for your last statement, is "game-servers" or "gameservers" copyrighted? No, so it's a direct comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studeggle Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 like I said in the other thread -- This is a useless and mute point. Gameservers.com was made and developed after the term "game servers" was already coined anyway, and it appears that they have never had a problem with competition from a "like" name, or trust me, they would have purchased the domains at that point in time. And there have been many who tried similar campaigns and ended up short... Actually my guess is gameservers.com probably enjoys it when people try and logo off them and the reason is quite solid with some statistical research. .com domains are the most typed and thought of domain. people regularly goof and put a .com at the end when they are looking for .net, .org, ect.. but the opposite is not very common. One domain can't piggy back off the SEO ranking of another, and nor does the domain effect the seo. butcrack.com can have just as high a ranking for the search game servers as gameservers.com as long as they do everything else equal. As for special character alterations like game-servers.com over gameservers.com this still looses the war because most people in talking will say go to game servers dot com, not, go to game dash servers dot com. And if you think someones going to just randomly decide to stick that dash in there your fooling yourself. Actually every dash domain I have ever seen created has closed or at least been supplemented with its nondash counter within a few years. Because people are naturally lazy they want to type whats easiest. But its his experiment let him do what he will your not going to change it at this point. And if your aren't connected to the venture and want to loose some money I'll take bets off the board on its failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 The part about your "slogan" in your sig. You don't offer to rent every game that can be played online so that is misleading, deceptive, We will host any game that can be hosted, there is nothing deceptive about that. We never claim that we will host any game for $1.00 a slot. Some of the games we host are $4.00 a slot. Your are just a dolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 One domain can't piggy back off the SEO ranking of another, and nor does the domain effect the seo. butcrack.com can have just as high a ranking for the search game servers as gameservers.com as long as they do everything else equal. You don't piggyback off of the SEO you piggyback off of the name and brand recognition. It targets those that are unfamiliar with the gameservers brand and directs them to his site. My question is if Stealth Servers was so successful then why change the domain name. Why is it necessary to leach off of the success of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 Back in 2008 we faced the same decision, we needed a new domain name. We looked at hundreds of existing GSP names before selecting Hostile Contact. We could have gone the easy route and just modified an existing GSP name but we decided that this would be unethical. It appeared that the name Hostile Contact was not being used in the GSP industry and the domain name HostileContact.com was available. But that was not good enough we did not want to copy the name of any other company in any industry. We researched Hostile Contact and found that there were no other companies using that name on the internet. What we found during a Google search of Hostile Contact was just a few unrelated links with the exception of a Gordon Kent book named Hostile Contact. We felt confident that using the name HostileContact.com for our GSP would not create any conflict or confusion for those searching for the Gordon Kent Book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 He can't rent them Goran since he's not a ranked provider for many games and his blanket statement encompasses all games that can be played online so places like pogo and yahoo would come to mind which obviously aren't being hosted there. The point is that he simply can't live up to that statement knowingly therefore a morality or ethical lecture from someone blatantly professing something to not be true lacks merit. As for your last statement, is "game-servers" or "gameservers" copyrighted? No, so it's a direct comparison. What a dolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 There is a big difference between using a common phrase such as gameservers in your name and just copying the name. lowpinggameservers, that is a unique name and Stealthgameservers would have been unique, but to change your name to game-servers.com. There is only one reason someone would want to do that. If it was such a great idea and you don't find it unethical why do you think it took so long for someone to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 As for your last statement, is "game-servers" or "gameservers" copyrighted? I never said what Stealth Servers is doing is a copyright violation. What he is doing is not illegal and as for it being unethical that all depends on the person's view. Not all unethical behavior is illegal and some illegal behavior is considered to be ethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 I have decided to have my own game control panel created and I am calling it TC-Admin.com What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS-Liam Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Is SickPuppy arguing with himself or is the forums broke meaning I can’t see anyone else’s post? As for the last 7 posts I just see SickPuppy lol, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 Just padding my stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpgservers Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 SickPuppy, you might slow down and read some of the posts previous to yours and you might also consider putting your posts into one coherent thought and posting that. Putting up several posts repeatedly after each other just creates chaos. We will host any game that can be hosted, there is nothing deceptive about that. We never claim that we will host any game for $1.00 a slot. Some of the games we host are $4.00 a slot. Your are just a dolt. This is where your wrong, you cannot host some games. Your signature says the following: If you can play it online, we rent it. Can someone rent a Bad Company 2 server from you? Can someone rent any Ranked Battlefield Game from you? Can someone rent a Ranked FFOW, Quake Wars, or World in Conflict server from you? The answer is no and to put it more simply so you understand this time, you don't have the ability to rent anything that can be played online. I really don't know how you can even attempt to argue that point. As far as your 6 other posts, I wasn't talking to you when referencing the copyright. I addressed Goran directly and if you had taken a moment to read it that would have been evident. I had even quoted the person I was referencing. Your all over the place lately. Your end of the world thread and in the last couple weeks you've had sporadic moments of spamming the post reply button in a couple threads. Seriously, are you OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 This is where your wrong, you cannot host some games. Your signature says the following: If you can play it online, we rent it. Have you been to my website and looked at the about us page? Game Hosting and the ranked game restrictions are explained. http://www.hostilecontact.com/page.php?34 This is also part of the TOS Our old slogan was If you can fly it, drive it, or shoot it, we rent it. That was too hard to explain in the TOS Can someone rent a Bad Company 2 server from you? Can someone rent any Ranked Battlefield Game from you? Can someone rent a Ranked FFOW, Quake Wars, or World in Conflict server from you? The answer is no and to put it more simply so you understand this time, you don't have the ability to rent anything that can be played online. I really don't know how you can even attempt to argue that point. The only answer I have to that is "Not Yet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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