nosit1 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Patrick Daley brought this to my attention recently. We were talking over Steam Friends and he told me to go to WolfServers.com, then click on live chat. Sure enough: http://artofwarcentral.com/SightMaxAgentInterface/PreChatSurvey.aspx?accountID=1&siteID=6&queueID=12 Can anyone shed any light on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjdaley Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I was covertly looking around all of your sites to undercut you in prices ;-), seeing how you display things to get ideas and BAM put my cursor over the live chat and this is where it pointed. javascript:%20var%20e%20=%20window.open('http://artofwarcentral.com/SightMaxAgentInterface/PreChatSurvey.aspx?accountID=1&siteID=6&queueID=12',%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20'chatWindow','width=490,%20height=404,resizable=0,scrollbars=no,menubar=no,status=no'); I was curious about it also since I did not see the stats on the bottom of their page loading correctly either, been maxed at the same number for quite a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Would'nt be suprised alot of GSP's are going down the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Wish I would have known they were for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studeggle Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Wish I would have known they were for sale Just look for the companies dropping prices and having ridiculous sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Just look for the companies dropping prices and having ridiculous sales There are so many right now, a lot of GSPs cutting prices, having 1/2 off sales. Companies selling off unused servers or cutting the prices of their colos. We have been lucky so far, our new sales out number monthly losses. We are seeing a small but steady gain of about 5% each month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonF Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Wish I would have known they were for sale No offense, but I don't see a ranked server provider that has been in the market for years to sell to a new comer with a php nuke website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 So what you are saying is that you would turn down a higher bid just for the principle. Money is money, what does it matter how long we have been in the business. The cold hard fact is, we have the money to make such purchases. If the length of time in the business was the only benchmark used to measure success then we would not be discussing the fact that Wolf couldn’t cut it. So much for your ranked server provider theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Wolf had to sell to another EA Ranked provider as the transfer of the ranked license is not allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Do you think it is ethical to sell your company and not tell your customers? How many of the Wolfservers customers do you think know? I would even say that some of their customers came to them because they did not like AOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon|Rich Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 The Ranked server market isn't anywhere near what everyone predicted. When the games first came out business was good but most who centered they're business around selling ranked servers took a beating. I wouldn't be surprised if Wolf is in that boat since they lean heavily on ranked sales.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbiloh Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Wolf was dedicated heavy. Their business was strong and vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancemode Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 wolfservers seemed like a strong company. anyone know why? or what happened? owner gave up? left the business market? sick? etc? anyways, yeah. Its been rough time for the gaming market. Wasn't as popular like before. Since people are now owning consoles and also paying for xbox live or what so ever, and basically some pc gamers transferred to console. But tehre are still some. I am hoping to see the change or a impact soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{-SMAKU-}_MotorMouth Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 No offense, but I don't see a ranked server provider that has been in the market for years to sell to a new comer with a php nuke website.+ Seems like you are more worried about the site than our customers and it's not php nuke BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 + Seems like you are more worried about the site than our customers and it's not php nuke BTW. off topic, your site isn't loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonF Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 + Seems like you are more worried about the site than our customers and it's not php nuke BTW. Your website if the customer's first impression. A professional looking site can drive your business and a ugly site can scare away business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjdaley Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 back on topic for a min (sorry to derail your side thread ;-) ) does anyone know what happened IF anything happened to WolfServers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proclan Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 + Seems like you are more worried about the site than our customers and it's not php nuke BTW. e107 it is and that's much better than nuke ever was. Loads a lil slow though maybe modify some of your graphics so they load faster. I personally like your layout but I've always been a fan of e107. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 e107 it is and that's much better than nuke ever was. Loads a lil slow though maybe modify some of your graphics so they load faster. I personally like your layout but I've always been a fan of e107. Went a little overboard with the flash on the home page but I think it is the MySql server we are on that is dragging the load time down. We are going to move the site to a better Host one that offers load balancing on the MySql servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickPuppy Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Your website if the customer's first impression. A professional looking site can drive your business and a ugly site can scare away business. You would be correct if we were selling Rolex watches, but we have the philosophy that a GSP website should look like a gaming clan website and what do 95% of all game clans use, PHP and PHP nuke. People that shop at Wal-Mart don’t go there to look at the pretty displays, they just want to save money. We chose e107 because it is easy to admin and setup, but mainly because it is free. We incorporated a .asp ecommerce shopping cart that we fully integrated into the WHMCS billing software so the orders are automatically transferred. It may look like a simple site but getting everything to work was not easy. But the one thing we can say with 100% certainty "There is not another GSP site like HostileContact.com" And by the way the ugly website has not stopped us from reaching the 300 customer mark. That might not be a lot compared to AOW or Gameservers.com but for us it is right on track with our business plan. Next year our target is 500 and we fully expect to reach that number by the end of the third quarter. So maybe some of the GSPs with pretty websites that are selling out or going under should take a little word of advice "Go ugly early or you might go home alone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon|Rich Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Template buyers are generally people like my mom or little sister who aren't web savvy but wish to host a website with a point and click interface.. When I see a company in business selling things like server hosting I cannot help but think, "These guys cannot even design a simple website, How could I trust them to fix something if it breaks?" Seriously bud, Your only kidding yourself with that logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjdaley Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Template buyers are generally people like my mom or little sister who aren't web savvy but wish to host a website with a point and click interface.. When I see a company in business selling things like server hosting I cannot help but think, "These guys cannot even design a simple website, How could I trust them to fix something if it breaks?" Seriously bud, Your only kidding yourself with that logic. Sorry to disagree, but you are seriously wrong. By your logic, just because I can not make a fantastic website, I am not capable of administering a web server/game server. I for one, as I have said multiple times, am a Exchange/Server 2000/2003/2008 Administrator and deployment engineer by trade. People pay me, to setup/fix/admin their servers. I guess I am not qualified to setup a game server backend(TCADMIN), Setup a webserver(IIS or APACHE), and use my game control(TCADMIN) to click a few buttons to create and manage game servers. I would be thoroughly impressed with someone that can run all of this WITHOUT someone elses program, such as gameservers(they have their OWN flavor of linux they created/tweaked, own back end and own billing system.) By Your logic once again, that means that all of us, including you, are victims to GameServers Dominance in this market. I would rather pay for a decent looking template(as I am not the creative type, I am the get-r-done(lol) type) and modifying it with the skills I can learn fairly quickly. My template is proof to that, as it is still a work in progress. I still need to give it quite a bit of work. I will use yours as an example of your own opinion, it is drab, not very colorful and looks fairly plain/normal to me. I think you need to spruce a few things up(probably already have plans for this in th3 works I assume(would hope) as you are a fairly large game server provider. I would purchase a server from leetservers or branzone or many others before I would buy one from your site, just purely using your own logic as it looks shabby and old and theirs shiny and new. Once I have the money I will pay for someone to make my site for me, in the mean time I do it myself with the help of others. Please in the future choose your words a little better, not EVERYONE that is good at web design is good at administering servers and vice versa. found it quite disrespectful that you would be so prejudice in saying that every server admin should be good at web design. ps.. I know you can say you have more clients, etc... your website works for you etc... it doesn't matter, I was merely using your own logic on your own site. Just my own 2-4 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon|Rich Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 My remarks weren't pointed at anyone in particular and I apologize if they offended you. The point I was trying to make is ready-made templated sites give that impression. Between me and you we both know what's involved in this business. I was specifically referring to what the average web surfer sees. They only see what you let them see. They have no idea what's behind the curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjdaley Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 My remarks weren't pointed at anyone in particular and I apologize if they offended you. The point I was trying to make is ready-made templates sites give that impression. Between me and you we both know what's involved in this business. I was specifically referring to what the average web surfer sees. They only see what you let them see. They have no idea what's behind the curtain. True, but my opinion is a little different, its more of a younger ( I am 26 assuming you are a little older, might be wrong :-) ) person knowing that the average person just wants to get a server, I think the difference between them buying and bouncing (sem/seo/etc... aside) is the crispness of the site. A decent template (php nuke, e307 or whatever, mambo etc...) do make extremely nice looking sites. I am think a simple, clean crisp site is the best, yours is very simple, clean and easy to navigate which is 100% better than most of the sites I have seen. I have been looking at your site for some time, looking at the flow of things, etc... trying to get some indirect pointers on how I should do things, but it boils down to I think we see different sides of the playing field. So I will agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon|Rich Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 Agreed. There's exceptions to every rule. A site that starts out as a template can be tweaked to look very attractive. Your examples branzone and leetservers are both good examples of that. (A good many "custom" site designers use a basic CMS as a core then build the clients theme around that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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