Dennis Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Hi, It's probably not a surprise to anyone hosting Rust that the server startup is using a lot of CPU during navmesh generation. Rust will actually use all available cores and max out CPU usage. If the machine is sitting at 0% idle, starting a Rust server will make it jump to 100%. It the machine is sitting at 50% idle, starting a Rust server will make it jump to 100%. We're already setting the CPU priority to low for the first 3 minutes of the server startup, but it doesn't really help much. Other game servers on the same machine will experience lag for a short amount of time during the Rust server's navmesh generation. Has anyone figured out a way to work around this? I've been thinking about a way to set CPU affinity to 2-3 cores during startup and then set it to use all cores afterwards. It seems to be pretty easy using Python on Unix systems, but I haven't found a solution for Windows yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseymars Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 We've had this, and of course 7D2D too. Not much you can do about 7d2d we've tried everything. Rust same situation, this seems to be a unity thing. Assigning cores on 7d2d doesn't do anything, on Rust it does though. So far we've been trying to see if we can do a query script that will change cpu priority/cores based on how high the CPU usage is but then high pop servers get affected so it's not ideal.. Other option is to see if there's an rcon readout for it or read the log and change based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Thanks for your input, mouseymars! Are you willing to share the script? I'm curious what it looks like. So far I haven't found a viable solution to change Affinity on the fly for Windows. I've found multiple options for Unix based systems, but not Windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijs007 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I once opened a ticket with Facepunch studio's to get this looked into, they simply stated that my system is on the slow side.. (The system is equipped with two Intel Xeon Silver 4110 CPU's) Since they can't or wont bother to fix it, I simply decided rust is not worth the trouble to provide hosting services for. Dennis have you tried one of the methods listed here?: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/89548-set-cpu-process-priority-applications-windows-10-a.html You could script it with PowerShell or CMD. Question is how to detect reliably if the startup process has completed. Out of curiosity what kind of system specs do you use and how long does it take to generate the navmesh at startup for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 they simply stated that my system is on the slow side ... it doesn't matter what CPU you're using, lol. I've tried starting a Rust server on a freshly installed Windows Server 2016, only to see that it will still use 100% of the CPU on 32 cores. 8 cores, 16 cores, 32 cores - it's all the same. I've tried with various CPUs, both Intel and AMD. It's always the same. It does however generate faster on better CPUs but that doesn't solve anything since even 1 second of lag is enough to ruin a round in CSGO and other competitive games. Depending on the load on our machines, navmesh takes around 10-15 seconds to generate. I've tried to script my way out of it but haven't found a solution for it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serverblend Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 There is literally not a lot anyone can do about this, it is Rust. You could turn of nav generation to stop it but then expect complaints to the tune of 'my creatures won't move/things are not roaming' etc. But from memory did stop the CPU spiking issue but just created another issue. +nav_disable "True" Set the process to idle for 3 minutes then back to normal or somehow convince Rust to change fix it is the only real option and we all know that won't happen any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 You could turn of nav generation to stop it Would be a bad idea It would solve the issue but create another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFA Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The CPU limiter in the next update should help with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy-CS Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 The CPU limiter in the next update should help with this. This next update keeps getting juicier and juicier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serverblend Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Would be a bad idea It would solve the issue but create another one This is what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFA Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 It should be ready for next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijs007 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 12:03 AM, LFA said: It should be ready for next week. I see it's available in the latest update, which is great. Just two suggestions to improve it: Allow us to configure a limit in the game template, for games like Rust. It would be nice if the Windows CPU limit functions similar to the Linux CPU limit, where 100% is a single CPU core. 200% is 2 cores, etc. We have systems with quad cores, but we also have systems with 16 cores. The current situation is that configuring the CPU limit to 25% would be a single core in the quad core system. However on a 16 cores system this would be 4 cores, which is undesirable. I'm aware that Windows itself does not calculate the CPU usage like Linux does. But TCAadmin can take the amount of cores into account and calculate the percentage needed in Windows. It's a simple formula: the desired CPU limit in % divided by the amount of CPU cores in the system.* Example: A: 4 core system: 100%/4 = 25% cap B: 16 core system: 100%/16 = 6,25% cap The result is that the application is limited to run at 100% of a single core on both systems. *You would need to add a exception case where values over 100% are replaced by 100% (to prevent issues, in case the limit is configured at 500% and is applied on a quad core system for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFA Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 This new rust config will select a random CPU and set low priority at startup. Then change it back to normal when the game server is finished starting up. On 3/26/2020 at 5:25 AM, gijs007 said: I see it's available in the latest update, which is great. Just two suggestions to improve it: Allow us to configure a limit in the game template, for games like Rust. It would be nice if the Windows CPU limit functions similar to the Linux CPU limit, where 100% is a single CPU core. 200% is 2 cores, etc. We have systems with quad cores, but we also have systems with 16 cores. The current situation is that configuring the CPU limit to 25% would be a single core in the quad core system. However on a 16 cores system this would be 4 cores, which is undesirable. I'm aware that Windows itself does not calculate the CPU usage like Linux does. But TCAadmin can take the amount of cores into account and calculate the percentage needed in Windows. It's a simple formula: the desired CPU limit in % divided by the amount of CPU cores in the system.* Example: A: 4 core system: 100%/4 = 25% cap B: 16 core system: 100%/16 = 6,25% cap The result is that the application is limited to run at 100% of a single core on both systems. *You would need to add a exception case where values over 100% are replaced by 100% (to prevent issues, in case the limit is configured at 500% and is applied on a quad core system for example) I'll see what I can do about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing_Pony Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Hi, can you help me? I was using linux before for Rust server and with 90+ plugins and 70+ online I had on 5950X always around 30-50 server FPS on load. No laggs etc. I switched to Windows Server, I tried to check uncheck all cpu affinity, cpu limit is 0, realtime cpu, unlimited ram and server has at load just 10-12 FPS I dont know why. The same plugins, same config, same map, same CPU, same 128GB RAM, same NVME, just different OS. Isnt possible that CPU handling at Windows is somehow different or irs somehow limited? thanks a lot for help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Amazing_Pony said: Hi, can you help me? I was using linux before for Rust server and with 90+ plugins and 70+ online I had on 5950X always around 30-50 server FPS on load. No laggs etc. I switched to Windows Server, I tried to check uncheck all cpu affinity, cpu limit is 0, realtime cpu, unlimited ram and server has at load just 10-12 FPS I dont know why. The same plugins, same config, same map, same CPU, same 128GB RAM, same NVME, just different OS. Isnt possible that CPU handling at Windows is somehow different or irs somehow limited? thanks a lot for help i have replied to your thread, that you created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazing_Pony Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Adam said: i have replied to your thread, that you created and you fixed it thanks a lot. I know about this, but I didnt reliaze it and didnt expect on server OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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